Medicines <> Shootings … ?
February 20th, 2008 by RYKAnother week another US campus shooting.
But why does it happen? Why are kids going around shooting others and themselves? Is it like Michael Moore suggests: the easy availability of guns?
A year back I was shocked when my friend’s 1 yr daughter in the US was on steroids for the common cold. It was then that I discovered that doctors in the US prescribe regularly what we consider in India very strong medicines and what we call extreme last resort treatments.
Today I read this on CNN on the latest shooting which talks about how the campus killer was on a heavy prescriptions for a long time and then went off them, and then went on the shooting spree.
Did the medicines mess his mind to a degree that he went crazy?
Could there be a connection between strong prescriptions in the US and campus killings?
It is true that doctors in north america seem to throw around prescriptions rather easily … these drugs can be helpful but careful monitoring and therapy are also a key in ones recovery.
I thinks it’s a bit simplistic to blame it on one thing only … altho the drug angel is worth investigating. Chances are this was a long-time in happening…and while as a society I think we want simple answers…nothing is every really simple.
good grief…sorry for my typos! LOL … I need another coffee, obviously.
I’m gutted it’s a typo Dm, I really wanted to know about the drug angel.
LOL, Drug Angel…..
Good on you DM for not editing, we try and worm our way outta typos in the comments that follow, like your drug angel!
LOL…maybe I need a drug angel!
Sounds better than a tooth fairy.
Go! get some prescription drugs Drowseymonkey to improve your typing
To establish a link, there has to be more than one case of shootings involving prescription drugs, otherwise it’s just an isolated incident.
Were any of the other shooters over the last coupld of decades on prescribed drugs?
Good point Lib. Can’t generalise from the odd case. Need more correlation between the two.
Maybe another M RYK,
The Media, the movies that glamourise killing adn to a point computer games and we’d even hold the cast of 70’s cowboys Bonanza partly responsibly with their trigger happy ways…
Sopranoes, Goodfella and scarface?
All glamourise the use of shooters couple that with ‘my time is up and I may as well GO! out and be remembered’ from confused brain activity and no place to be heard then BAM.
single shooter computers games such as soldier of Fortune (which I play) doom, battlefield and others have been shown to stimulate the same areas of the brain which are activated at times of extreme anger…. they do desensitise to player to a certian area which is why the military use them in their training… the player becomes numb to the scene around him/her and enters on almost like trance state whereby the are game playing….. it also gives the players skills to fire and reload a weapon quickly as most games are life like in the weapon use….. and if your not fast your dead in the game until the next game….
The medical profession has alot to answer in my books….
Adhd Drugs what a crock that is…. they are mind numbing drugs which yes do help some but for the large majority of children simple create a generation of zombies with the personality of a wet sponge and then suffer with side effects when taken of them that are so bad they need to be put back one them…
Steriods for a cold is just plain ridiculous this is biggest load of nonsense I have ever heard…. dont parents think to themselves hmmm I think thats a bit of overkill… no they sit and like sheep plainly do what they are told….
Yes there are bad people, and yes there are bad kids, but part of the bigger problem is there are just bad parents…….
however this does not excuse those people adult and child who are just plain evil…..
Instead of filling kids with a lollyshop size bag of drugs just give them the standard normal illegal drug addiction… this would excuse all forms of horrendious behaviour and the government can then send them to rehab free of charge…. or they could overdose before they ever get their hands on a gun….
People kill People guns dont is the biggest load Of Shyte I have heard next to the doctors behaviour……
Oh lets see for example take a semi automatic anything with bullets into a shopping centre and use it … might kill 50 people… or take a big knife into the same shopping centre maybe hurt one ot two… and thats about it… before you’ve been taken down .. or in the case of the US blasted to the wall…….
There is no need for guns in a civilised country…. no place at all… it is a load on crap…..
Canada has guns but far less shootings.
People and guns kill people, can’t divorce the two.
This should be a subject of study and concern, Here I think are more concern about relieving the signs and symptoms that to cure the disease, I found this article interesting and moving we should care about everybody health and not go for the aesy and fast solution.
Agree, there should be research to establish a clear link between the two.
Welcome to flowers La Libertad! Why this name?
I rarely take medicine. I try and keep away from it as much as possible and only if its really, absolutely needed do I bother. Apart from the occasional meeting with Mr Valium (for flying as I can’t sleep on planes and this helps on long haul flights), Alcohol which I really enjoy and dooby which I also really enjoy (and is only a plant after all).
What is worrying is that we have the emergence of super bugs and there are getting to be more of them. This is due to the oversubscription of medicine (antibiotics) and obbsessive cleaning and sterilising. AIDS has developed resistance to many drugs and the doctors have to concoct more and more elaborate cocktails of drugs to keep it at bay.
So we can see from these two examples that medicine effectiveness is reduced over time. We accelerate this by using too much of it. Why is this?
In a more litigous society the doctor maybe feels he must do something, just in case.
Where health care, drug companies and finance are directly related you will find rampant use of drugs.
Where a media tells you what you need and a nanny state government also pokes its nose in you will find rampant use of drugs.
Where we are told that feeling a bit unhappy is depression and people have forgotten how to sort themselves out you will find rampant use of drugs.
I had a girlfriend once who took paracetamol ‘just in case’ it was pathetic, especially the reaction when I refused to buy any for her, foot stamping, tears, etc.
For these hypochondriacs I would recomend the Ledger cure. Pour as many down their neck as you can but for Christ sake kill the buggers, this will leave us sensible and restrained individuals in world who can exist without all this crap and thus increase the strength of our species.
Interesting points.
Judging from the reaction of your ex, she needed way more than just paracetamol ha!
Keeping it slow in the typing..
A lengthy study down here found almost all doctors recieved kick backs from the pharmaceutical companies for prescribing one over another, several companies had doctors who only perscribed their medications…
The use of Antibiotics and growth hormones in animals is also another cause of declining effectiveness with some medications….
Paracetamol has been found to have addictive tendacies in some people after a prolonged period…
The use of these medication or overuse is being blamed for the emergence of robovirus’s and the mutation of virus’s and infections even polio is making a come back as is Malaria howeverwith malaria it is a new strane which is not effected by standard treatments….
All things evolve to survive read this if you like:
http://iwanttobreathe.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/the-sensitive/
AC
Did you type that or copy-paste it from some medical magazine Chook?
That’s what I would do when it comes to anything about science and medicine ha!
It is stuff I just know chook… no reference I know this stuff thats all mate…
My real life is completely not what you would think…. check out the link
AC
I second the opinion (said like a doc) that there are kickbacks involved. I was roped in to design software for a private hospital chain in the US a few years back and I could not believe how much of a role money played: it was all about sending people for tests and referrals and opinions from specilaists and putting people on courses and recommending surgeries.
Infact surgeries being most lucrative were HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. I found out that ANYBODY over the age of 45 is recommended that they have an angioplasty if they simply start a discussion about heart or breathing.
Interesting RYK…we’ll waiting till we’re 100 before we start worrying….
Have you eatched the Hugh Laurie DVD series ‘HOUSE’? - worth a watch…
There has been a link which ties the offenders of these high school shootings to the drug Ritalin. In Phillip Day’s book “The Mind Game” there is a chapter (which my brother has at the moment so I cannot quote directly from it) where Day talks about Ritalin and that the majority of them have been using this as prescribed to them for ADHD.
If you are interested in the book, google for “Phillip Day book The Mind Game” and you will find all relevant articles. I can give you one link without this comment going into spam which is
http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/170502/editorial.htm
where you will find a short excerpt from the book.
Nice one Ange, thanks for sharing this….